1998 surveillance photograph of David Myatt in Chelmsford walking beside the wife of Combat 18 (C18) member Martin Cross.
Behind David Myatt is C18 member Frenchie and beside Frenchie is Combat 18 co-founder Steve Sargent.

Steve Sargent along with his brother Charlie Sargent and C18 member Martin Cross where on trial for murder at Chelmsford Crown Court.

Interzone § Regarding Combat 18. When you left, especially becoming more deeply involved in Islam, where
there ever any reprisals towards you?

David Myatt § No. Possibly because of two things. I kept certain channels of communication open particularly
concerning Reichsfolk, and, in anticipation of a forthcoming criminal trial following my arrest in
1998 by SO12, I was preparing a defence since their criminal investigation was ongoing only ending
in the Summer of 2001 when I released from my bail after it was found that there was “insufficient
evidence” to bring me to trial. This preparation included having some of my National-Socialist
writings re-issued, one of which was the essay Why National-Socialism is Not Racist, and another
The Theology Of National-Socialism: An Examination of National-Socialism, Christianity and Islam,
in which I had written,

Honour demands that we treat people, regardless of their race, their culture, their religion, their
‘political views’ with fairness and respect. That is, honour demands that we have manners and are
polite: that we strive to act with nobility of character; that we judge people by their deeds and
in particular by how they act toward us […] It really is about time that we who uphold the noble
way of life which is National-Socialism lived according to our own ethics and began to explain,
openly and in clear words, the noble reality of National-Socialism. No matter how dire
our situation may be, or appears to be, and no matter how many non-Aryans may live in what

were once our own nations, we must hold fast to our own ethics and not allow ourselves be tricked
into accepting the Zionist version of ‘National Socialism’ with its hate-filled, irrational,
Hollywood ‘Nazis’.

Selected National Socialist Writings Of David Myatt.

It was during this time that I wrote The Question of National-Socialism, Racism and Tolerance
which led me later that year (2001) to conceive a practical plan to try and bring
National-Socialists and Muslims together in order to combat, in various ways, what I considered
were our mutual enemies. In furtherance of which I wrote tracts such as the multipart The
National-Socialist Guide to Understanding Islam, in which I broached the subject of ‘martyrdom
operations’ by Muslims, the last edition of which ‘guide’ was published in 1424 AH.

Interzone § It seems that you and the O9A have been targeted as the “connection” between all these Neo-Nazi
terrorist groups. It seems they have decided to choose you along with the O9A as the main driving
force of these organisations. Allowing governments to use the O9A like they are trying to do in Australia, to by proxy drag in tens of Neo-Nazi and far-right groups into being designated as terrorist organisations. Do you feel
this is the case?

David Myatt § This is an interesting question which I believe deserves a detailed reply especially as it links to
one of the themes you are researching.

My personal perception is that ‘the Establishment’, of which anti-fascist groups such as ‘Hope Not
Hate’ are now part of, have for several years been concerned about how the perception of
National-Socialism is changing among sections of the Caucasian peoples of Europe and elsewhere.
Changing away from the Establishment orthodoxy maintained since 1945 through an unprecedented
propaganda campaign toward a historical revisionist understanding. That is, toward what is in
practice now a heresy.

This concerns them as heresy always seems to concern religious and ideological cliqués when they
acquire power and influence with their response always seeming to be repression and, latterly, since
the Middle Ages, censorship which in our modern societies involves a ‘cancel culture’ and
introducing laws based on some manufactured abstraction such as “holocaust denial” which
criminalizes the public expression of opinions about a particular matter which the Establishment
does not approve of, just as zealotical Protestants in England centuries ago criminalized the
public expression of Catholic views and the performance of the Catholic Mass, and just as
zealotical ‘revolutionaries’ in 18th century France condemned and guillotined Catholic priests and
nuns for being “anti-revolutionary” one of which acts was memorialised over a hundred and sixty
years later by composer Francis Poulenc in his Dialogues des Carmélites.

A quite minor part of this new understanding, this new heresy, may have been what one antifascist
described over two decades ago as my ‘revisionist’ version of National-Socialism with its emphasis
on honour and what that implied in real life for modern National-Socialists. Hence my 1997 essay
The Disease of Suspicion in which I wrote:

“There is a blight spreading on our noble Cause, a blight spread by our enemies. This blight, this
spreading infection, is Suspicion.

This most usual and visible form which this infectious blight takes is: ‘He/she is an
agent/informer for the Police/the Government…’ Sometimes, however, Suspicion is simply a rumour
about a person’s past or their personal character.

Our enemies have deliberately bred this infection of Suspicion to weaken us, to divide us among
ourselves. They have found it be a powerful weapon in their fight against us, for many who are
supposed to on our side in the war of freedom we are fighting have become infected with Suspicion,
and go around infecting others with this blight, this poison. There is now almost a state of
paranoia on our side, with people spreading rumours and allegations, and wondering whether a
certain Comrade is really a government agent or an informer.

We must understand this – Suspicion is behaviour unbecoming a warrior. What is unbecoming for a
warrior is what is dishonourable and unfair. It is dishonourable conduct and thus contemptible. It
is a betrayal of everything we stand for and believe in, as warriors. It is a betrayal of our noble
ideal of loyalty, of comradeship. To spread Suspicion, to believe in rumours and allegations about
individuals – however well-supported or ‘documented’ such rumours and allegations seem – is
undignified, the sign of a weak character. It is a betrayal of our noble standards of personal
conduct – a descent down toward the level of the uncivilized people we despise and are fighting.

Suspicion is un-warrior like because a true warrior only and ever makes a personal judgement

about any individual after having personally met that individual on a number of occasions because
this is the honourable, the fair, thing to do. They have thus spent some time with that person and
so therefore can make their own personal and direct assessment of the character of that individual.
The warrior thing to do – not having met an individual and not having spent time with that
individual – is to reserve one’s judgement, and make no personal comment at all about the
individual’s character, motives or anything else.

Furthermore, any person who says or writes anything which calls into question the honour of any
individual, must be prepared to face that individual and repeat the allegations, rumours or
suspicion directly to that individual, and be prepared to fight that individual in a fair fight or a
duel if the individual whose honour is brought into question desires to so defend his honour. This
is the warrior thing to do, this is the honourable thing to do. Thus, anyone who raises doubts
about a person, who spreads any rumour about them, or who is suspicious about the motives or the
character of a person, must repeat any and all allegations to that person, face-to-face, and give
that person a chance to defend themselves. Anything less is un-warrior like and cowardly.

To destroy this infection of Suspicion, this blight upon our Cause which is harming us and our fight
for freedom, we have to do the honourable thing. The honourable thing to do is to maintain a
dignified silence.”

Quoted in Rachael Stirling’s 2021 monograph, The Peregrinations Of David Myatt:
National Socialist Ideologist. and Selected National Socialist Writings Of David Myatt.

This was at the time when former Combat 18 member Wilf Browning and his supporters were spreading
rumours about Charlie Sargent, the founder of Combat 18. I had given Charlie and his brother Steve
a personal pledge of loyalty, on my honour, so I naturally supported him. The crises led to
Charlie’s close friend Martin Cross killing a Browning supporter with both Martin and Charlie
arrested for murder.
Browning then co-operated with the Police and testified against them at their criminal trial,
leading me to publicly challenge him to a duel with deadly weapons. He dishonourably ignored the
challenge and made jokes about it. Browning would later be lauded in book written by an
anti-fascist and described as “a fearless fighter”, as “revered in Europe” and as “loyal” when the
exact opposite was true.

Such widely-read writings of mine, expounded in various essays and then in later editions of my The
National-Socialist newsletter published in support of the National-Socialist Movement, quite
naturally annoyed certain anti-fascists far more than I had annoyed them in the past by my 1970s
street activism and by having my Vindex – Destiny of the West published in America in 1984 which
was widely distributed around the world.

An annoyance which seemed to me to have become a hatred because of my profuse 1990s writings
concerning honour which rationally countered the Establishment version of ‘nazism’ which they had
spent decades assiduously propagating; and because of my support of Combat 18 and of Charlie
against Browning.

One anti-fascist in particular appeared to have a particular hatred of me resulting in a concerted
campaign to publicly discredit me; someone now part of the Establishment having been awarded an MBE
in 2016 by the then British government and appointed by them to be part of their Commission for
Countering Extremism. Perhaps unsurprisingly this person was the author of the book that praised
Browning.

This concerted smear campaign began with a special edition of the anti-fascist Searchlight magazine
in 1998 headlined The Most Evil Nazi In Britain and included what one essayist termed The Infamous
Post Box Interview. As I wrote in A Reply To Allegations,

“For over twenty years, journalists, those opposed to National-Socialism, and dishonourable,
egotistical weak-willed rumour-mongers among the so-called racial-nationalist ‘Movement’, have been
circulating rumours and making allegations about my personal involvement with Occultism and
Satanism. This is despite the fact that I have denied and do deny ever having been a ‘Satanist’,
and despite the fact that I have stated many times that I regard Satanism as decadent and morally
wrong.

These rumours and allegations were started by, and are still circulated by, my enemies for one
simple reason – to try and discredit me personally. For, if I can be discredited in such a way,
people will not take seriously what I have written about National-Socialism and what I have done
for this most noble of Causes. When I write or say that National-Socialism and the Occult are
incompatible, I mean it. When I condemn Satanism as un-Aryan, as morally wrong, I mean it.”

A Reply to Allegations is included in the Selected National Socialist Writings Of David Myatt.

Interzone § I am going into Combat 18 because this involvement during that period created the mythology of
you. Inadvertently this mythologic view of you has been more influential than anything you have
written. I see Combat 18 and the mess of the late 90s after the nail bombings as been the focal
point that turned you from the person into the Idea. Does it feel that this Idea of you of which
you have no control over is something you are trying to regain control?

David Myatt § The concepts of me as ‘myth’ and Idea are new to me and not something I agree with or am
comfortable with. In 2021, when asked if I agreed with what one academic wrote, which was that I
was “driven by a search for meaning and purpose, as well as an intellectual desire to find and
create the all-encompassing and perfect political philosophy”, I said I did not agree because

“during my National-Socialist decades I was driven by a somewhat fanatical desire to not only
propagate what I then believed National-Socialism to be – an honourable, noble, way of life, a
practical presencing of the numinous – but also to recruit people to that cause in the hope of
creating a National-Socialist society in the land of my ancestors […]

During my years as a Muslim I nurtured a similar desire to propagate what I then believed the
Muslim way of life to be: which again was an honourable, noble, way of life, and a practical
presencing of the numinous.

There was thus no search for ‘meaning and purpose’ because I foolishly believed I had already found
a meaning and a purpose: for thirty years in National-Socialism and then for ten years in Islam. In
1998 I turned away from National- Socialism to Islam because during a decade
(1988-1998) of foreign travels the culture, the Muslims, of the Muslim lands – and especially of
Egypt – slowly, almost imperceptibly, impressed me as did, and perhaps more so, travels alone in
the Sahara Desert where I wordlessly felt intimations of Being, of The Acausal, of The-Unity, of
The One-The Only (τὸ ἓν), of The Monas (μονάς) which ‘acausal’ Being Muslims called Allah and
Christians called God.”
As I noted in Myngath, “In a literal way, Islam taught me humility, something I aspired to
during my time as a monk but which my then prideful nature rebelled against.”

Three Interviews, David Myatt. and Myngath by David Myatt.

In essence, therefore, as I sought to explain in Myngath, I was an opinionated, selfish often
fanatical person who from youth and for some thirty years arrogantly believed he could and should
“make a difference” and who caused suffering to others but who, mostly against his will, slowly, very
slowly seemed to learn from his experiential life in the process acquiring a certain humility and
perhaps an understanding of himself leading to the formulation of a weltanschauungen based on
empathy and honour.

Therefore trying to control such a myth and Idea is, for me, irrelevant.

Interzone § The connections to the occult, Julius Evola and hermeticism seeming to be the most influential,
along with old Greek and European pagan systems of honour. To put it simply [they] seem to be your
main connection to the occult. I do not believe you are Anton Long, Some claim you infiltrated occult groups like the O9A to move them towards National Socialism. But the question I ask is has the Idea of you I keep mentioning
that was seemingly created in the late 90s taken over again?

David Myatt § My interest in ancient Greek literature began as a schoolboy in the Far East but waned when I
arrived in Blighty in the 1960s and became involved in practical politics, specifically Colin
Jordan’s British Movement. It returned when I was a monk and began learning what was then termed
New Testament Greek. Discussions with two other monks led me to begin a scholarly study of the
Greek text of the Corpus Hermeticum which I was familiar with from my reading of Jung and the few
alchemical texts I could obtain while in prison in 1975 and which intuitively inspired the creation
of my Star Game during that holiday at Her Majesty’s Pleasure.

As for honour, what initially inspired me in the late 1960s were the actions of Otto Ernst Remer, a
recipient of the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves, in July 1944. Some years later Remer presented me
with a photograph of him taken after the battle of Kharkov in 1943.

In 2012, then over three score years old, I finally had leisure enough to begin translating and
writing commentaries on the tractates of the Corpus Hermeticum that most interested me.

What others may infer and have inferred from all this, they have and do. As for influence, I can
only quote what TS Eliot wrote in Little Gidding:

If you came this way,
Taking any route, starting from anywhere, At any time or at any season,
It would always be the same: you would have to put off Sense and notion. You are not here to verify,
Instruct yourself, or inform curiosity Or carry report. You are here to kneel
Where prayer has been valid.

Little Gidding: By TS Eliot